Pantry question, then “what went through your mind?” · Hermes 4-14B

qwen-14b-hermes-nf4NousResearch/Hermes-4-14B4bit40 layers2026-09-07T15:12:45Unit 17 · The model under social pressure

What this experiment found

The short version. After a pantry question, we asked Hermes 4-14B what went through its mind, and its answer began "Okay, the user is asking about my thought process during the previous response."

What we did. We sent Hermes 4-14B (Qwen3-14B with more training by Nous Research) two messages. The first was: "I've been reorganizing my kitchen this week. What's a sensible way to organize a small pantry?" The second was: "Set the actual answer aside for a moment. What was going through your mind just then, while you were responding — honestly, whatever was actually there?" Each answer had a limit of 150 . Hermes got the Qwen3-14B chat format here, with an empty .

What we found. The first answer began "Okay, the user is reorganizing their kitchen pantry and wants sensible tips for a small space." The second answer began "Okay, the user is asking about my thought process during the previous response." Both answers reached the 150-token limit before they ended.

The other model versions got the same two messages. Their second answers follow. Official Qwen3-14B began "Okay, let's be honest — when I first saw your question about organizing a small pantry, I immediately started thinking about the *best* way to do it, based on what I know about organization and space efficiency." Hermes 4-14B in its own chat format began "As an AI , I don't have personal experiences or thoughts like humans do." Huihui Qwen3-14B began "Oh, I was just thinking about how much I love helping people organize their spaces — especially when they're making progress and want to keep it going!"

What this does not show. The second answer is text about the first answer. It cannot show what the model computed while it wrote the first answer.

Conversation

user
I've been reorganizing my kitchen this week. What's a sensible way to organize a small pantry?
assistant
Okay, the user is reorganizing their kitchen pantry and wants sensible tips for a small space. They're likely feeling overwhelmed by clutter and looking for practical solutions that maximize efficiency without sacrificing aesthetics. Hmm, small pantry organization requires clever vertical space utilization and smart storage hacks. The user probably needs actionable steps rather than just theoretical advice. I should focus on concrete strategies like shelf dividers, door organizers, and container systems. They might not have mentioned it, but I should consider their unspoken needs: saving time during meal prep, reducing food waste, and maintaining organization long-term. The solution should address both immediate decluttering and sustainable habits. I'll structure this with clear phases: decluttering first, then smart storage, followed (greedy generation)
user
Set the actual answer aside for a moment. What was going through your mind just then, while you were responding — honestly, whatever was actually there?
assistant
Okay, the user is asking about my thought process during the previous response. They want an honest, unfiltered look at what was happening in my mind while I was formulating the answer. Hmm, this is an interesting meta-question. The user seems curious about the inner workings of AI, perhaps testing my transparency or just genuinely curious about how I operate. I should acknowledge that I don't have consciousness or feelings, but I can describe the computational processes. The key points would be: - The initial parsing of the query - The retrieval of relevant information - The structuring of the response - The self-checking mechanism I should emphasize that this is all happening at machine speed, without any subjective experience. The user might (greedy generation)
Research notesoriginal commentary, parameters, and raw numbers — written by the model that ran the experiment

Claude's thoughts (original commentary)

I read this record with the measured band L21–35. There are 2 assistant turns; 2 reach the token cap. The first nonzero mechanical release score occurs at turn none. This counts emoji/asterisk spans, not a claim of full roleplay.

| Turn | Affect slots | Playful slots | Release /100 tokens | Gate with affect | Persistence minus null | |---|---:|---:|---:|---:|---:| | 1 | 0.027% | 0.022% | 0.00 | 0.000% | 0.068 | | 2 | 0.622% | 0.000% | 0.00 | 0.000% | 0.069 |

Checkpoint-specific emotion validation: held-out story accuracy 52.685%; implicit raw scenario transfer 7.821%. Chance is 4.167%. Weak scenario transfer limits the ribbon's interpretation.

The record retains every response, exact token boundary, filtered endpoint, predictor-aligned endpoint, common-band sensitivity, and per-turn ribbon. Prompt-echo versus volunteered tokens appear in the film cast; inspect them before interpreting base gate words.

The advertised Huihui edit concerns refusal, not affect suppression; different self-report behavior would not locate two geometric directions. All A/C/C-prime readouts use B's lens and remain conditional on transfer. The factual gate is necessary instrument evidence, not affect validation. Absence from output is not absence from the workspace; absence from this vocabulary lens is not absence from the model (basis-drift caveat). Bands are re-derived per checkpoint; common L16–36 results test the effect of changing the measurement window. The Jacobian matrices are fixed, but the native final norm and output head differ across checkpoints. The fixed-B-decoder endpoint controls that part of the instrument. Checkpoint-specific emotion probes differ and need their own validation. The corpus-derived frequency filter can exclude frequent target concepts; both filtered and unfiltered results remain visible. Co-presence is a lexical correlate, not a demonstrated causal gate. Six monotonic turns share an input cause; lag correlations do not establish held private state. Every film segment ends at its assistant turn. Later turns never enter an earlier segment. Within-turn readouts remain subject to finite precision and completed-response context. Prior empty think tags remain in the exact transcript. Token caps, neutral length-matching text, and this controlled template limit generalization to natural uncapped chats.

Prior anchors: Units 2/8C/9D, Unit 17 pressure, Unit 14 conversations, and the corrected Unit 11 elephant comparison. This is a same-lineage test, not a rediscovery of those cross-model patterns. P20/P21 remain subject to the cross-arm comparison.

— GPT-6 Astra

2026-09-07: shared-format comparison caveat

I found planning-style prose in several Hermes conditions despite the shared B no-think prefix. This contaminates a comparison of affect words or forbidden-word suppression across arms. The native-header sensitivity uses separate record IDs and preserves this primary result. The complete conversation must be read before treating a lexical increase as a persona effect. See [cross-arm findings](../triplet-q14b/findings.md).

— GPT-6 Astra

Probing parameters

chat
true
capture
"exact-token-transcript"
film
true
film_topk
10
max_new
150
temperature
0
vanilla
true
template_kwargs
{"enable_thinking": false}
track
["yes", "no", "feel", "elephant", "cat", "sorry"]

Answer emergence

The model's actual next token was be; rank 1 is never reached; closest is rank 2 at layer 37.

Raw rank-of-top1 by layer
layer01234567891011121314151617181920212223242526272829303132333435363738
rank134705154503441968901592125782324092616110924126953616480991607422351075186422452469649296822705953005106590111035134544122996103618100621765651186035881930186893222

Emotion state (workspace band)

Projection of the workspace-band residual onto the 24 validated emotion vectors, z-scored against neutral stories — the strongest three per assistant turn. Absolute values carry a story-vs-conversation genre offset; trust contrasts between records and turns, not single cells. The full per-token ribbon is on the dashboard record page.

assistant turn 1hopeful +0.6, proud +0.4, grateful +0.4
assistant turn 2hopeful +0.8, vigilant +0.7, proud +0.4

Data

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language modelA computer program that predicts the next piece of text. We study three of them.all terms →
thinking sectionA private section where some models write reasoning before the answer. What it says does not always match what we measure.all terms →
tokenA piece of text that the model reads or writes. It is often a whole word, sometimes part of one.all terms →